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Well there goes the Expanded Universe. Its been a privilege to contribute to the universe but now some of my SW works are just part of a glorified "fan fiction". I'm still looking forward to contribute to the new canon but part of the Star Wars fan in me died with the official announcement. I just hope that some parts of the EU will make it through to the new canon. As far as future Star Wars works are concerned I can no longer draw on my knowledge of the EU cause the slate has been wiped clean and everything will be new territory from here on out. Whether this is good or bad I really can't decide at this point. I'll just have to wait and see how things pan out.

What are your thoughts on this news?
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Twilight16Master Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I try to look on teh bright side... at least Force Unleashed is no longer canon. that's good, right?
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DarkPhlame412 Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014
I personally didn't have an issue with the old stuff no longer being canon (well, I do have an issue with the fact that Disney did it so they don't have to worry about giving credit where it's due). My problem is that all of that will no longer be worked on. So, any unfinished storylines we were attached to? Never going to be resolved.
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Douglas-Macleod Featured By Owner Edited Jun 26, 2014  Student Photographer
I wrote a rant on this on other forums. Will crosspost from my original:

My thoughts - I feel like the EU is now "open season." Authors and whoever else can pretty much do as they please, and disregard pretty much other pieces of EU that have quite well dropped steaming hot piles of dogshit on well respected canon (Force Unleashed, TOR, Clone Wars, etc).

At the same time, because there's no longer a concern of stepping on Lucas' toes (despite his continued toe smashing on the EU), I feel that many of the projects put on hold because of the Clone Wars series could be revived - the final novel in the Republic Commando series comes to mind, really. This can also mean the continued novelization of Luke Skywalker and co (the new films will focus on the Skywalkers/Solos post ROTJ) - SW authors have been leading these characters through the EU since the early 90s, it would seem improper not to continue the projects.

Look at all the opportunity - "the big three" are geriatrics, their kids and friends are alive and kicking [except for Anakin and Jacen but alas], and plenty of other EU characters in that era [Katarn, Boba, Kanos] still have plenty of tales left to tell. On a final note, one of my biases against Lucas is his disregard for the EU. Yes, the SW universe is/was his to change at will, but there's something to be said for respect and gratitude. Between 1983 and 1999, what kept SW fans coming back for more? The EU - novels, comics, and games. Some of it was crap and pish posh, but a good chunk of it was well written material that surpassed the utter trash to come.

The 2000s EU continued the trend with more quality products (still plenty of shit too), but what mattered was continuity - EU authors and game designers referenced the films and other EU works, building a sense of wholeness. Lucas, however, when given chances to reference fan favorite works, instead decided to kill characters, rewrite backstories, throw entire series' out the window, and overall dumb down the entire franchise for fucking pre-pubescents who had never seen ANH (and probably never touched a record player before). I understand Lucas is all about teaching kids and making kid friendly material (remember the Indiana Jones chronicles he and Spielberg worked on? That was all about teaching tykes), but he and his companies sold out. Lucasarts' shutdown was pure karma, and good riddance to the bastards....*END RANT*
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Ulysses-Grant Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
I do as I always have done, focus on what I enjoyed about Star Wars before 1999, and remain blissfully ignorant of anything new that makes me shake my head and return to my West End Games Star Wars source books, Original Film DVD's, and EU novels.

I don't hate the new, nor do I argue or debate what happens with the movies, special editions, reprints, or recons. I accept they exist though they are not what I remember when I look to Star Wars.

Some days though, I find someone who loves the setting for what I love, and for a moment I can feel fantastic again about a universe that inspired me through my early childhood and carried my imagination on into the adult. 

You have my sympathies, and my admiration for your contribution and artwork that made our dreams so much more.
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Wedge009 Featured By Owner May 16, 2014
I don't keep watch on Star Wars news (otherwise I'd just get impatient about the upcoming movies), but I was under the impression that - early on, at least - the creators of the new trilogy would do their best to respect the existing post-RotJ EU as best as possible. While I was pleased to hear about the return of several characters from the classic trilogy, I was unhappy about the blanket nature of the EU deprecation. Sure, there's some pretty weird stuff that goes on and - to me, at least - the stories got stranger the further away from the movies they got, chronologically. At the same time, though, there are some very good - and well-loved - characters and stories that get the boot as well. Thrawn, Jade, Horn, just to name a few. I suppose I can understand Force-related stories being rewritten because that side is unique to the Star Wars mythos (the nature of visual media presents Force-wielders as being pretty weak compared to their novel counterparts where there can be lots of detail about the mental side of Force battles), but I'll miss the military-focused stories - like those about Rogue and Wraith Squadron - which generally don't delve too much into the Force aspect.

They may still incorporate bits and pieces of the EU - as was done in the prequels - but in hindsight I suppose the wipe-out was inevitable if Lucas et al want to write new stories after Episode VI. I'm just wondering who they're using as the antagonists for the new trilogy. Granted, the Star Wars galaxy is a big place, but I find it hard to believe that the Empire we know from the classic trilogy could still be a threat 30-35 years later. Not to mention it'd be pretty hard to bring a villain as iconic as Vader - Lucas always seemed to be of the position that Episodes I-VI were always about Anakin as the central character.
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millernumber1 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
I think it's completely expected, but that doesn't make it any happier for me. My childhood as a scifi fan is heavily based in the EU, and I still think many of the works hold up as good books and scifi. Furthermore, I have absolutely no confidence that the new Star Wars material will be more than fairly competent filler.
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Grifen Featured By Owner May 13, 2014   Writer
I think that can be a good thing to reordinate some good stuff becouse the EU is pretty caotic and contradictory: there was some very goods pieces in EU (Jedi Knight series, at least the games), the Old Republic era, the X-Wing series (X-wing, Tie FIghter, Alliance series), and a very good think is the Disney get the good stuff and try to correct it with in a coerent manner.
However, I fear the Disney choose to discontinue the old EU because part of it was under license to third parts, and maybe retake some of it's chapter require to reviewn these licenses. For Disney is more cheap delete the old EU and start with stuff make by itself.
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chadoble Featured By Owner May 9, 2014  Student Photographer
This is absolutely nonsense.There is a huuge eu and they say we don't care.They must make movies of that series.At every condition,it definitely be better.ok,we will go to watch movies,but this doesn't mean we will like them.
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Cpt-Crandall Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Just because someone at Lucas says they are not official "canon", does that impact what the stories are or mean to you? I think it is a good thing. The EU was a mess. And they aren't junking them. They now have the freedom to take these story lines and characters we love so much and fit them into the universe in a new and fresh, and probably better way. There were so many nods to the EU in Clone Wars, and I think that was awesome. So I look forward to seeing that all in the new films and in Rebels.
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8-0-8 Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
Heh, that's something. In a way it seems this was inevitable.
Ah well, it can't be helped.
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Eruantien-Fett Featured By Owner May 3, 2014
To put it lightly, I was disappointed.  I know more about the EU than I do the movies, and without the EU I wouldn't have the interest in books that I do today.  Things would have been very different.
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Bluelisamh Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Student General Artist
I'm not too bothered by the EU announcement (mainly because I'm so excited by the latest Ep. VII casting ;) ) I enjoyed what EU did read, but I don't mind looking at it as an 'Alternate Universe' rather than the 'Expanded Universe'. Hopefully Ep. VII will be so awesome that we don't mind the changes to canon. And as others here have stated, please continue your gorgeous work and please don't put any in storage. Your work is the art that I strive to create :) MTFBWY!!
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SMiki55 Featured By Owner May 1, 2014
Thrawn. You was very, very good Grand Admiral. Although some rebel scums (called "Disneymen") are falsifying history of Galaxy, we'll never forget about You.

The
North Empire Will Never Forget!
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AsdrothsAngel Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I've only read a smattering of the books, though I love most of the ones I've read. I'm told that there are conflicts and contradictions throughout the Expanded Universe. From what I know, George Lucas was rather sloppy about what he allowed to be published as cannon. I really hope that Disney just does what Bethesda did when they took over the Fallout universe. They kept what they could but smoothed out the inconsistencies. It's probably too much to hope for, it is Disney after all, but as my husband says, 'everybody does Star Wars better than Lucas.'
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Pagz Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Professional Filmographer
The thing that confuses me is the EU was *never* canon. Being "official" is not the same as being canon. The canon hierarchy has always been: Movies > Novelizations of the movies > Radio dramas of the movies. And that was it. Everything else, while officially sanctioned by lucasfilm, was never canon to the saga. Hence why the prequels ignored the EU almost entirely and contradicted a lot of it. Lucasfilm was (and still is) happy to let people play and create in that sandbox, but none of it becomes officially canon until enshrined in a film. And even then, when any part of the EU made it into the films, it didn't canonify everything attached, just whatever they chose to include.

It's certainly not a decision that merits any hatred towards Disney. There's no way they could incorporate the EU into their upcoming trilogy. There's too much material, and a lot of it I'm sad to say, isn't terribly good. The only real option available to them was to come out and say that the EU won't be considered, but that should have been a foregone conclusion considering that the EU was never canon to begin with.

So basically, nothing has changed. The EU continues to exist in exactly the same capacity it always has, with the exact same status it has always held. The books will remain in print, rebranded now to help avoid confusion when the upcoming trilogy is released.
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wraithdt Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I mostly agree with what you said about the EU although previously it was still considered canon although its canonicity is considered lower than that of the movies and tv series. So in the past if there were any contradictions the movies/tv would always take precedent over the books but as long as they were none the EU was always considered part of the history of the SW saga. While the official status of the EU hasn't changed significantly with the announcement it does however mean that any discussions about what happened in the SW universe will now only go as far as ROTJ because those characters and stories written or created outside the movies are no longer part of the New SW historical timeline. This doesn't exclude the possibility that some parts of the EU might make the move over to the new canon through the new films, tv or books in one form or another but as far as the official story is concerned, currently Mara Jade never married Luke, the Solo children were never born, Thrawn did not invade the New Republic and the Galactic Civil War hasn't ended.
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AG88 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Does that mean that novels that occur in the time frame prior to ROTJ (such as Coruscant Nights) are still considered book-canon?  
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wraithdt Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
As far as I understand it all EU are not canon anymore and that includes anything prior to or in between the movies and tv series. I could've said it better but I was concerned specifically with events after ROTJ because that where EPVII will take place.
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Shainp113 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Student Writer
Whatever you do...PLEASE!!! Don't put your pics into storage... it hurts so much when people hide away their awesome art... specially the SW art... And btw, Just cause its not cannon anymore.. doesn't mean it isn't worth reading or drawing...
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Evilness321 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
I agree with you. I still enjoy the stories from the E.U., some of my favorites are from the E.U. and the art for some of it is simply amazing and inspiring! It's like Disney is taking a big spit on all those years of writers and the stories they created. I really hope :iconwraithdt: won't storage any of his amazing works because of this!
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Shainp113 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Student Writer
That's what I said!!! You would not BELIEVE!! How many of my friends said that this was a GOOD thing. "Oh Disney is gonna be great for Star Wars! This is a good thing! Now they can be more creative" NO! They've screwed everyone.
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Evilness321 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014
I was tentative about the Disney buy-out to be honest. While I didn't like how Lucas was taking the whole Clone Wars 3D thing, I wasn't sure if Disney would be much better for the franchise. I still plan on seeing the new movies, don't get me wrong. But I will be one of the skeptical going in until I see how the movies play out with the original cast reprising their roles after how many years. I'm still going to keep my Star Wars E.U books, a lot of them were gifts from my parents and I won't throw them out simply because Disney decided to call them 'glorified fanfiction' in short. I'm definitely keeping my old beat-up copy of The Crystal Star! 

I was personally hoping to see Mara, the twins, Anakin Solo and Ben Skywalker on film someday. But now it's not looking like that will happen... :cry: 
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Shainp113 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Student Writer
Yea... I wouldn't knock the clone wars if you haven't seen the series through... few mistakes here and there, but over all a VERY! good series.
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wraithdt Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
There's no reason for me to put them in storage. My works are still available for all to enjoy:)
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Evilness321 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014
Thank you! Your art has always been so amazing to me, sometimes it inspires me to push my own skills farther when I'm lacking in enthusiasm to draw :) 
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Shainp113 Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2014  Student Writer
Thank goodness! :D
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Shainp113 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Student Writer
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO AGREES THAT THIS IS A VERY VERY! BAD! IDEA!!!
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grim22x7 Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
I read about their plan to do this some time ago. It has it's up and downs. Foremost is that everything after ROTJ is more or less lost. Mara, the Twins, Ben, Thawn, Palleon, Tahiri, Raynor, and a heck of a lot of other characters that have been developed over the past...40 years. But on the upside going forward, there will no longer be levels on canon. Authors will no longer have to do backflips in their books to explain the effects of changes to canon. It also creates a clean slate that authors can write in without stepping on what has been and what will be in some minute part of the EU that. It will either be canon or it wont. The other silver lining here is that a lot of the prequel era can remain more or less untouched because there the ending must always be "The Phantom Menace" 

The other option is madness so I will choose to take this bitter pill and swallow it.
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CosmicSketch Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014
Disney can never control the extended universe of the Star Wars World.
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jeroenbrugman Featured By Owner Apr 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Not sure what to think of this. On one side I get that Disney will want the freedom to work with the franchise without all the exess baggage of the Extended Universe. On the other side, as a fan, I think they are making a major mistake. Star Wars has grown so far beyond the movies, even before George started on the prequels. It is such a full and rounded out universe, is seems a shame to just discard it.

It's sure to alienate a lot of fans. Still the true Star Wars canon is what is in an individual fans head, and Disney still can't control that.

I'll disregard what I don't like. If Disney wants me to keep spending money on the franchise, they'd better make stuff I can appreciate. It's all I can practically say or do.

That being said: I'm somewhat positive about the new Rebels show supposed to come out in the fall. It seems to have potential.
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SMS00 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
There are many reactions from the different variation of fans about the EU. Some people liked all of it, some only parts (I personally like most of the EU). But in the end, Disneys going to do what makes it more money as all corporations do. So looking at it from a business point, I'd still say its a bad move. They're really running a gamble on covering over the EU, I don't think it's wise to upset a massive fan base/customs who have supported and added to the EU all of these decades. We'll just have to see where this goes and if it was a profitable move.
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LittleFoxStudio Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
So many people's favourite characters came from the EU. Myself, included. There was a lot of convoluted mess in the EU in recent years, but still so many beloved characters. Really the EU kept Star Wars going. If it was just the movies (No games, books etc) would Star Wars have lasted as long as it has? I don't think so.
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DawnSentinel Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
I really hate Disney for cancelling The Clone Wars  for one thing. If they allow Dave Filoni or the other writers to publish the conclusions in comic book form I'll be happy. As for the EU...That's insane. That's like, everything.
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TwistedSynapses Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Timothy Zahn's books will always hold a special place for me. Farewell Grand Admiral Thrawn.

I always assumed this would be the case though.
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OnlyALittleKraken Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I think it kind of sucks, really, but tbh I think Star Wars has long since outgrown its creators (George Lucas has famously never read a Star Wars novel, for instance). I like to think that the series belongs to its fans, and to imagine that the new films will just be another "what if?" It'd be a shame to pretend all of the awesome expanded universe material set after Return of the Jedi never existed.
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Muady Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
It makes me sad.

The expanded universe was full of... silly and bad bits. But there was also so many amazing characters and events.
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MariahSyn Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
Profound Sadness... that's the best I could come up with regarding how I feel about it.
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bloodelf3 Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
Though slightly upset by the news, let's be honest, parts of EU are just bad and I don't mind them going.
I hope at the very least they keep Mara Jade, It would be terrible if they'd get rid of such a well known and significant character.
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BlondTheColorist Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
It's the New 52 of the Star Wars U.
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neirosoft Featured By Owner Apr 28, 2014
Same for me. Altough they tried to say "While the universe that readers knew is changing, it is not being discarded", I just don't understand how this can be. Two parts of the sentence seem mutually exclusive.

For me as an author one and only hope is that I based my story mainly on TCW and Prequel Trilogy plot, and so goes on. However the usage of only strictly canonic characters seemed somewhat boring to me. So I added some other second line ones - those who were left behind without explanation by several books' authors. And... if there's no Marek and Juno, and Shaak Ti not lived until 6 BBY at least - what I should do now? The encounter on Felucia is a part of my continuity. Thanks God I didn't mess with the period covered by "Rebels" now and post-Ep. VI time.

Such a sad situation, I have to say.
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Aikurisu Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
It's hard to say what this will ultimately bring.  Perhaps if the prequel movies were also on the manifesto to be chucked out, I'd consider it a blessing in disguise, but the Expanded Universe has and still does contain so much wonder, brilliance and reason for many fans to continue showing support for the Star Wars universe as a whole.  So are Disney that suicidal to cut ties with that?  My main concern is they'll dumb things down and replace otherwise memorable ideas with terrible ones... and make decisions only Lucas himself would ever be proud of.  That said, however, Disney aren't Lucas.  Despite the OA, they may still try and remain faithful to much about the EU, albeit with the power to wipe some things from existence while building on others fans love.
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magicswordz Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I would say it is good and bad.

It is bad because this (in a way) throws away hours of work people have put into creating this expanded universe. I wasn't as big of a fanatic compared to some people but I've read my share of comics from it. Hopefully the good stuff (characters) will be saved.

That said, it is also a good thing. There are so many silly things that the canon universe is just better off without. It was created by dozens of different writers each with their own idea where they wanted it to go and doesn't have enough coordination of successfully be used for the movies.

Over all, it is probably for the best. As long as what replaces it isn't worse.
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Shirahen Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
I guess that those what Lucas himself directed will be canon and these new Disney series are to be seen if they are good enough to become canon.
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darthfury02 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014
It greatly irritates me, but this was no surprise to me.  What's more irritating is that the Clone Wars cartoon is now officially considered canon, and the Rebels show that's coming out is, too.  (I know some people liked the Clone Wars, but I absolutely can't stand it.  The thought that something like that is canon, but Timothy Zahn's works or the X-Wing series aren't just disgusts me.)
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wraithdt Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I actually enjoy the Clone Wars tv series and I'm looking forward to Rebels but I totally get what you mean.
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agnidevi Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014   Digital Artist
Are you guys talking about this?

youtu.be/VUm0Lo6DL-E
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wraithdt Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yes that's the one.
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Knight-Templar Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Hobbyist
Disney: constantly finding new ways to kill my adolescence/pre-teen years. The eu made Star Wars so much bigger for me, and really encouraged my love of reading. To see it thrown to the side is like being told a childhood friend you haven't seen in years just died.
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fenrysk-art Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
of course I am saddened as you are. I'm willing to wait to see how it pans out too
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wraithdt Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
For those who have not read here's the official announcement from starwars.com >> starwars.com/news/the-legendar…

I recommend to watch the video as well.
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